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Line 129: ##wanting to move Syrian Kurdistan in ''Kurdish occupied areas in Syria'', or ''PYD controlled areas'' in the midst of the Siege of Kobane by ISIL :[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria&diff=next&oldid=643516437&diffmode=source diff] (2015) ##not taking part in a discussion constructively on a name change from Arabic into Kurdish by answering [https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Tell_Abyad&diff=959705418&oldid=959521420&diffmode=source I don't care what you think]... (May 2020) #Further ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=985463648 diff] (removes a link to "Syrian Kurdistan" from the article on "Iraqi Kurdistan", edit summary: {{tq|"Who says northern Syria is Western kurdistan?"}}) (October 2020)▼ ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q= ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=970199743 "The conventional wisdom talks about three parts of Kurdistan; in Turkey, Iran and Iraq."..."While Kurds do live in Syria (various parts), no Syrian territory is considered part of Kurdistan, which is also echoes in the Treaty of Sevres map. We can refer to the presence of Kurdish-inhabited areas in northeaster Syria, but it is a mistake to refer to that as part of Kurdistan"] (July 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=970164298 "Give me one source published before 2011 mentioning the term Syrian Kurdistan. Yes, there are Kurdish inhabited areas in Syria, but with other groups, nothing purely Kurdish."] (July 2020) ▲##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=985463648 ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=981677973] (removes a link to "Syrian Kurdistan" from the article on "Kurdistan", edit summary: {{tq|"Updated regional coverage per established sources, not POV outlets"}}) (October 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=988101562 "I provided the all-important Treaty of Sevres map above, and a number of academic books that talk about Kurdistan, but no "Syrian kurdistan". ... On a quick factcheck, it is interesting that none of the links provided above by Paradise (''sic, recte'': "GPinkerton") has "Syrian Kurdistan" in the name. (''!'') We are not arguing about the presence of a Kurdistan or Kurds in Syria. One last thing, I just visited one of the links provided above by Paradise and could not even find Syria in there. There is Iran, Iraq and Turkey."] (November 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988103274 "a number of academic books that talk about Kurdistan, but no "Syrian kurdistan". ... argue that this term was produced by Kurdish nationalists during the Syrian Civil War. We are not arguing about the presence of a Kurdistan or Kurds in Syria."] (November 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=988444653 "We have a ton of evidence presented throughout the article and the Talk page that this is a term used/invented by Kurds"] (November 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=987751940 "You fail to make distinction between presence of Kurds in Syria (just like in any other country) and Syrian Kurdistan. Respected maps and books have not shown the existence of a Syrian Kurdistan, although they still talk about Kurdish communities. PKK/PYD portal have started this rhetoric of a "Syrian kurdistan" during the Syrian civil war and the control of large swaths in northern Syria by PYD militias."] (November 2020) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=990563476&oldid=990563042 "I propose renaming this page to "Kurdish region (or regions) of Syria"."] followed by failure to engage with [https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=990567032&oldid=990565801 refutation with numerous counter-examples] ([[Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan/Archive_2#Common_name_of_the_area_and_proposed_move]]) followed by the [https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=994090747 the exact same cherry-picked claims three weeks later] presented on the same talk page ([[Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan#Discussion_of_"Syrian_Kurdistan"]]) (November 2020) #Prof. Martin van Bruinessen ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Wikipedia%3ANeutral_point_of_view%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=988075222&oldid=988074157] GPinkerton adds a 1978 source (among many) explaining the meaning of "Syrian Kurdistan" to a discussion in which this editor is claiming there are no sources that use this term, or none before the 1980s. ([[Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#PhD_candidate_as_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_Syrian_Kurdistan_against_the_views_of_multiple_professors_stating_otherwise?|In this discussion at NPOVN.]]) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=990396466] [[User:عمرو بن كلثوم]] then reintroduces this source rather reverentially as "Martin Dr Martin [sic] van Bruinessen (Fellow of the Kurdish Institute in Paris)" while indulging in ''argumentum ex silentio'' about the book's ''preface''! (On the Syrian Kurdistan talkpage.) ##[https:https://www.how.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=990559943] [[User:عمرو بن كلثوم]] is taken aback at GPinkerton's refutation of his claim that the phrase "Syrian Kurdistan" does not appear in the book (it does and is explained), and suddenly changes his mind on "Martin Dr Martin" the erstwhile worthy academic in respectable Paris, whose PhD-thesis-turned book was published by the University of Utrecht Press, but who in Act 2 now appears a radically changed character, a mean {{tq|scholar}} [he's actually a professor] whose book is now merely {{tq|personal opinion}} and tainted by association with the {{tq|'''Center for Kurdish Studies''' (sounds very neutral)}} [emphasis original] which, in the space of less than twenty-four hours, has now become unspeakably biased and unusable for reasons that remain unexplained. The statement concerning Kurdistan divided between four modern states in the professor's book is now neutralized as now {{tq|NOT an established fact}}. (The question of the reliability of arguments drawn ''ex silentio'' from the book's ''preface'' is not addressed ...) See more discussions and diffs at: *[[Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_86#PhD_candidate_as_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_Syrian_Kurdistan_against_the_views_of_multiple_professors_stating_otherwise?]] *[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#User:عمرو_بن_كلثوم_and_Syrian_Kurdistan]] *[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Unequivocal_TENDENTIOUS_editing_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم_on_Syrian_Kurdistan]] *[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Syrian_Kurdistan,_at_war_again]] *[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Supreme_Deliciousness_and_WP:TENDENTIOUS_editing_on_Syrian_Kurdistan]] ==User:Shadow4dark== | |||