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Latest comment: 3 months ago by Robertsky in topic Requested move 28 February 2024
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Geo Coordinates for Little Caesars Arena

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Latest comment: 1 year ago7 comments5 people in discussion

The coordinates given are apparently those of the old Palace at Auburn Hills. The correct coordinates are 42.341111, -83.055per https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Little_Caesars_Arena&params=42_20_28_N_83_3_18_W_type:landmark_region:US-MI Lotterdata (talk) 02:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Good eye. Apparently when the other parts of the Pistons' entry were updated to account for the move to Little Caesars, they didn't update the coordinates.
Which gets me thinking. Why do we have the coordinates in the first place? oknazevad (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
The corresponding tables for MLB and NFL have them too. I found them useful for a project that finds hypothetical divisions that minimize the total intradivision distances. I had other sources for each league but wanted to check against one that was (mostly) more up-to-date. Lotterdata (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Oknazevad: In my opinion, listing coordinates is nothing more than WP:NOTCATALOG. In addition, most times the corporate headquarters of the team is in a completely different place than their main arena. – sbaio 17:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
A good point. I don't think they're meant to serve as coordinates for the teams, but in lieu of listing addresses for the arenas. A few years back there was a couple of editors insisting on adding coordinates to everything despite the lack of meaningful coordinates on some topics (like trying to have one coordinate point for a transcontinental highway), so it may be a holdover from that. But I still think they're of limited use and anyone wanting the exact location of an arena can click the link to the arena article. I don't think losing them here would be a detriment to article quality. oknazevad (talk) 19:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree, I feel a bit useless info. Just tacked on to a table. If someone was curious, they could easily get the same info by clicking the arena page and seeing the location in the infobox.
Or is there a way to 'hide' the LAT/LONG behind the globe icon so the coords are neatly placed off to the side and now taking up so much visual space? Like a 'globe' icon inside the Location column after the city name? Moonraker0022 (talk) 16:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
I've been wondering this myself too. For nearly every other league, the columns are used to list Head Coach. Who comes to this page looking for arena coordinates over head coaches? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 04:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Looming NBA Free agency clarificatoin.

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Latest comment: 11 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The annual edit/revert season is among us and with free agency starting at 6:00pm EST tonight, I thought I'd come hear to clear up the logistics for angsty editors (like myself...).

Tonight, and over the next week, we should see many very reliable, yet not official, reports of players "planning to" and "have agreed to" free agency deals. This will of course also happen with trades usually being broken by Adrian Wojnarowski and Shams Charania. These reports are very reliable, and the wording is very key in determining the likelihood of the scenario. While it is very likely that the moves stated clearly and confidently by these high level reporters are much more likely to come to fruition than not, we have seen scenarios where deals have fallen through due to medical concerns, not making a specific deadline, or even just a change of decision during moratorium.

With this prefaced, if we have a hard time updating the lead and info-box of players during this time, I think it is important to note this information in the Professional Career sections of a players timeline while specifically mentioning that it was "widely reported" or something along those lines. I feel that until is officially announced, the timeline should be updated with the new team and information while the info-box and lead could remain the same. RichieConant34 (talk) 15:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 6 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

In the short section "Controversies and Criticism", the link to Havervold, Kale's article "The Darkest Moments in the History of the NBA" is broken. However, that article has been archived here:https://web.archive.org/web/20191013163753/https://www.sportsbreak.com/nba/the-darkest-moments-in-the-history-of-the-nba/Please change the reference to include the archive link. It takes a while to load.DavidGries (talk) 11:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Coordinates versus Coaches

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Latest comment: 4 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Why are the coordinates of the arena considered an important piece of information on the list of teams? Wouldn't a listing of current Head Coaches make more sense and be more in line with how other sports are formatted? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Hawksfan7358: I agree that there is no reason to list coordinates. I guess it would be best if this was asked at WT:NBA since more editors will probably see it. – sbaio 15:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 28 February 2024

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Latest comment: 3 months ago44 comments25 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved the subtopic articles. There is consensus that National Basketball Association should remain as it is, as indiciated in MOS:ACROTITLE. While there are comments to rerun the other articles separately, there is a consensus to move the other articles listed in here, per WP:CONCISE and WP:SHORTFORM. – robertsky (talk) 12:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

– Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Unanimously all sources call the league "NBA". ScarletViolet (talk • contribs) 12:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Strong oppose for the league's article itself, weak oppose for the others. Despite sources almost always using the initials for North American sports leagues, that does not necessarily make the initials the common name. O.N.R. (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Strong oppose since that is the standard for organizations and that is why redirects are created for easily recognizable abbreviations of such organizations. In addition, the nominator is making false claim in its nomination, because certainly not "all sources" use NBA. Even the league itself uses "National Basketball Association" in its press releases. – sbaio 13:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose moving the main National Basketball Association article. Historical consensus for that page and the other main North American sports league articles has been to strictly follow MOS:ACROTITLE and WP:AT § Avoid ambiguous abbreviations, and thus avoid those abbreviations. As Sbaio implied above, these leagues and some media sources may still use the full names. And these abbreviations may not necessarily be recognizable outside the United States and Canada. As for the other detailed articles, I am neutral and they could be considered seperately as to whether they could be abbreviated like 2023–24 NBA season, because those more detailed page titles give additional specific context. Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @ScarletViolet: Consider striking National Basketball Association from the list, given MOS:ACROTITLE. The rest might be less controversial.—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    +1 to this suggestion. 162 etc. (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Agree with Bagumba's suggestion to keep National Basketball Association the same. But we can shorten for the rest. As the creator of List of National Basketball Association career 3-point field goal percentage leaders and List of National Basketball Association team presidents, I think it would look better with the shortened "List of NBA team presidents". When reading the titles and trying to determine the contents of these articles, reading the full name (National Basketball Association) takes up too much space and distracts from what we are attempting to decipher. My guess is most people type in the abbreviated "NBA" in search engines anyways. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Comment At this point, some !voters have worked around it by itemizing which pages they disagree on moving, while supporting the rest. —Bagumba (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support for all but the main page (National Basketball Association) per above. Note that List of NBA team owners, NBA high school draftees, Eligibility for the NBA draft and several others are ALREADY abbreviated. There should be a standard form, whether long form or short form. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @ScarletViolet, FYI you did not include List of National Basketball Association general managers and many other NBA articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @ScarletViolet, if consensus supported the moves, we should require the same for WNBA-related articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Yes, even the NFL, MLB, NHL, etc. ScarletViolet (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose moving main National Basketball Association page, Support moving the others. Rikster2 (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose National Basketball Association → NBA. No opinion on the rest, but consider withdrawing and starting a new RM for them. Srnec (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose moving the names of any of these articles. Catfurball (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Aside from the page National Basketball Association itself, why? —Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment: Next best option. which should not be controversial, is creating redirects similar to NBA → National Basketball Association. Some of them do not have the concise redirect. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Yes, that's consistent with {{R from initialism}} —Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support all except standalone National Basketball Association The main National Basketball Association page's existing name is consistent with MOS:ACROTITLE and its Central Intelligence Agency example (...in view of arguments that the full name is used in professional and academic publications). The full "National Basketball Association" expansion can be seen on The New York Times, for example. For the others, where NBA is part of a longer descriptive title, the WP:CONCISE policy seems more applicable. The desciptive titles aren't ambiguous, as they are basketball specific. There are other longstanding examples such as NBA All-Star Game, NBA Finals, and NBA draft, where the meaning is clear, and the primary topic of NBA is anyways the basketball league.—Bagumba (talk) 04:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support all but National Basketball Association – The abbreviation is used far more extensively; many news articles from sites without overly strict style guidelines don't even mention the full name of the league at all. SounderBruce 06:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support all except National Basketball Association. -- ZooBlazer 06:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note: WikiProject Basketball has been notified of this discussion. -- ZooBlazer 06:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note: WikiProject Sports has been notified of this discussion. -- ZooBlazer 06:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support all – the same case with FIFA. Those who oppose, what do non-English speaking people call it? You never see English speakers refer FIFA as Fédération internationale de football association, so why should NBA?
SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is English Wikipedia. It's out of scope what non-English speakers call the National Basketball Association. —Bagumba (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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