Talk:William Hamilton, Duke of Hamilton

Latest comment: 6 years ago by John K in topic Name

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The result of the proposal was move. This is essentially reversing a series of two previous undiscussed moves. Hopefully any further moves will be discussed here first. Andrewa (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Survey

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Move or Don't move followed by reason and ~~~~

Move see my reason above Surtsicna (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Exccuse me?

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This man , my great to the power of "x" grandfather was not called William Hamilton, he was William Douglas-Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Hamilton de jure uxoris. This page will be moved back to William Douglas-Hamilton, Duke of Hamilton within the next few days if there are no objections? Brendandh (talk) 23:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Cut and paste moves

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Cut and paste moves are unacceptable. He was certainly never "William Douglas, Duke of Hamilton." If you can provide evidence from reliable sources that he used the surname "Douglas-Hamilton," please do so, and propose a move. This is, indeed, what Cokayne calls him, and what Cracroft's Peerage calls him. ODNB, on the other hand, says he just changed his name to Hamilton. Double-barreled surnames seem to have been rather rare in the 18th century, but it seems like a case could be made - when the general reference works disagree, it's best to turn to more detailed sources. But you need to actually make the case, and then you need to get an admin to do a proper move, not a cut and paste, so that the article history stays with the article. john k (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Son of - or - brother of

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pls look at Lord William Hamilton, here mentioned as a son - the wikilink is not correct. Hendrik van Holland (talk) 07:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 24 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)Reply


William Hamilton, Duke of HamiltonWilliam Douglas, Duke of Hamilton – Moved without explanation or discussion several years ago. Talk page complaining about this move to wrong name. Please see this entry in Dictionary of National Biography and other sources [1][2][3] МандичкаYO 😜 10:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 21:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:53, 24 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
Er, no. I deliberately avoided opining on whether he adopted the surname of Hamilton in place of or in addition to that of Douglas, but you can't deny that he did adopt it before his creation as Duke. If you had proposed a move to William Douglas-Hamilton, Duke of Hamilton then you might have had an argument, but your proposed title is just wrong. Opera hat (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Name

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Late to the move discussion, but worth noting that Wikimandia is linking to the (old, obsolete) Dictionary of National Biography entry, rather than the current Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which calls him "William Hamilton [formerly Douglas], third duke of Hamilton". The ODNB says that "The following day [29 April 1656] he and the duchess were married in Corstorphine church, just outside Edinburgh, and it was presumably then that Selkirk [the man we're talking about] changed his name to Hamilton, in accordance with yet another condition of Duke William's [the previous duke] entail." Now, as I said before, and as Opera hat says in the discussion, there may be some reason to think that "William Douglas-Hamilton" is better than William Hamilton. I'd be willing to entertain the argument, if there's some evidence, but nobody's bothered to make it. Until such evidence arises, I think we should follow the ODNB. john k (talk) 20:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)Reply