Wiki How:Articles for deletion/Meryl Silverburgh

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The result was merge‎ to Characters of the Metal Gear series. Daniel (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meryl Silverburgh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Character shows no evidence of standalone notability and all reception is from bundled together listicles that do nothing but say she's hot, sexy, and (until a few months ago) a Jew. This article used to have statements in its reception such as "the sexiest fictional Jew since Rhoda Morgenstern" (which also came from a listicle). No sources with in-depth character discussion exist, all of her mentions come from sex appeal listicles. Character fails WP:SIGCOV. NegativeMP1 17:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. NegativeMP1 17:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I think it's important not to judge an article by its current sources. Yes they are all rather poor, but that doesn't necessarily mean that sources don't exist out there that are better. Whether the character "shows no evidence" is less relevant than whether a WP:BEFORE comes up with sources. In this case there is a chapter on Meryl from Metal Gear Solid by Boss Fight Books, and Toward a Gameic World discusses the novelty of having to look up Meryl's codec number on the actual game box. The part about Meryl's codec is also mentioned here. I haven't checked enough to be sure there's significant coverage out there, but we're talking a major character from one of the most seminal games ever made. There's no clear evidence an exhaustive source search was performed rather than just looking at the sources right now and saying they're all bad. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I ran a WP:BEFORE two months ago when cleaning the reception up and when nominating this article and wasn't able to find much beyond voice acting work both times, hence what I meant by "No sources of in-depth character discussion exist". While those sources you brought up would be helpful, there needs to be actual character reception, of which there's very little that I could find. It'd be great if I was proven wrong and actual sources were found beyond both of my searches, but there's a reason why I nominated the article. NegativeMP1 19:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Characters of the Metal Gear series, or Merge if there's any relevant reception worth merging to that article. The article's reception is very flimsy and there doesn't seem to be anything per the nominator's BEFORE. If any relevant reception is scrounged up, ping me, and I'll be willing to change my vote. Pokelego999 (talk) 23:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect I agree that mentions at listicles don't mean much unless they are truly a major accolade, like "best video game character of all time". This is supported by only the thinnest of journalism, and could easily be merged somewhere with a brief summary. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect. The current version of the reception is, sadly, indeed based on listicles and similar passing mentions. I found a bit of analysis in Bachelor thesis here (very borderline SIGCOV), and few more mentions in passing. I don't think that's enough to rescue this article, but if someone finds better sources, do ping me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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